2011 Colombo Family

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2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by icegoodbarbPresident » February 5th, 2011, 9:30 pm

IP= Imprisoned
UI= Under Indictment
R= Retired

Boss: Carmine "The Snake" Persico/IP Alphonse "Allie Boy" Persico/IP
Acting Boss: Thomas Gioeli/IP Andrew "Mushy" Russo/UI
Underboss: John "Sonny" Franzese/IP Theodore "Teddy" Persico Jr./IP Benjamin "The Claw" Castellazo/UI
Consigliere: Joel "Joe Waverly" Cacace/IP Richard "Ritchie Nerves" Fusco/UI

Capo: Paul "Paulie Guns" Bevacqua/ Turned Rat
Capo: Dino "Big Dino" Calabro/ Turned Rat
Capo: Anthony " Big Anthony" Russo/ Turned rat
Acting Capo: Michael Uvino/IP
Acting Capo: Michel Catapano/IP
Capo: Anthony "Chucky" Russo/IP
Capo: Ralph Lombardo/Semi Retired
Acting Capo: Thomas Petrizzo
Capo: Bennedetto and Vincenzo Aloi/Retired in Florida considered advisors to family
Acting Capo: Joseph Carna/UI
Capo: Reynolds Marangni/UI
Acting Capo: Dennis Lucia/UI
Capo: Luca DiMatteo
Capo:Joseph Baudanza
Capo: Gerard “Jerry Green Eyes” Clemenza

Soldiers
Joseph Amato
Dominick Bretti
Frank “Frankie Camp” Campione
Richard "The Jewler" Capichano
Vincent Cascio
Salvatore “Sally Bread” Cambria
John Cammarato
Alphonse Cirillo/77
Joseph Colombo Jr/Inactive
Jerome D’Agati/ Inactive
Leonard Dello
Robert “Rob” Donofrio
Robert Falvo
Edward Fanelli
Thomas Farese/Could maybe be a capo
Joseph Gorgone
Vincent Gugliaro
Vito Guzzo
Joseph Iannaci
Anthony Induisi
Joseph LaRosa
Benjamin Locicero
Frank Locicero
Joseph Lupo/Semi-Retired
James Malpeso
Anthony Maltese
John Matera
Dominic "Donny Shacks" Montemarano/Inactive
Victor Orena Jr/ Inactive
John Orena
Junior Palermo
Pasquale “Patsy” Palermo
Charles “Charlie Moose” Panarella/Probably Inactive
Daniel “Danny” Persico
Theodore “Teddy” Persico Jr
Salvatore “Sally Pro” Profaci
John Rossatti
James Scianna/
Anthony Scianni
John Scimone
Ralph Scopo Jr
Larry Sessa
Michael “Mikey” Souza/ Rat
Nicoline Sorrentino
John Staluppi
Anthony Stropoli
Joseph "Joe T" Tomasello
Joseph “Joe” Tolino
George Tropiano
Joseph Zorzi
Vincent "Vinny Unions/Three Fingers" Ricciardo

Imprisoned Members:
Benedetto "Benny" Aloi
Pasquale Amato
Aurelio “Ray” Cagno
Anthony Colombo/ Left the life
Joseph “Joey Caves” Compatiello/ Rat
Vincent “Chickie” DeMartino
Gennaro "Gerry Lang" Langella
Joseph “Joe Legs” Legrano
Angelo Leto
Frank “Chickie” Leto
Salvatore Lombardino
Craig Marino
Joseph “Joe Monte” Monteleone
Victor “Little Vic” Orena
Alphonse "Little Allie Boy" Persico
Theodore “Teddy” Persico Sr
Vincent "Vinny Unions/Three Fingers" Ricciardo
Anthony "Chucky" Russo
Greg Scarpa Jr
Robert Zambardi

So Basically the Colombos have 5 Captains or People that have been acting Captains in the past not in jail and about 50-55 made members total which many are serving long prison sentences. They have no Boss, Underboss, Consigliere and will probably be absorbed as a crew into another family or stay independent and have infighting and in-house cleaning considering all the rats they've had were made members people like Andrew Russo and Benjamin Castellazzo depending when they get out or if they do will wanna kill some people.

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by thewestside » February 6th, 2011, 1:05 am

That's only a partial list of names. The Colombo family has about 100 made members total.

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 7th, 2011, 4:21 pm

Icegood-

Thanks for the information. Some on this board have accused me of exaggeration/hyperbole and outright being a liar. This list shows an updated version of what is extremely obvious to anyone with half a brain. Of those made guys I wonder how many actually are active. In 2009-2011 the family has been decimated. Many families have alot ot do with eachother and your list is only partially painting a picture of what is going on in the mafia. For instance several Genovese have been indicted in teh past few years from testimony coming from guys outside their families. Also several guys who werent mentioned as made were in all essence close enough to teh top brass to be considered made except for the fact that they werent Italian. Top Tier guys wore wires in this family. One of the indictments alledges an extortion attempt made against the Gambinos. Russo spoke openly abouting finding the "rat in their midst" yet he turned out to be a rat himself. Also note that even amongst themselves mafioso have begun to either avoid a snitch or label him as such without ever hitting him. Their is a wariness in either eliminating a snitch even when given the oppurtunity. As was the case of a Gambino soldier who had avoided being arrested and was suspisciously looked at as an informer and not to mention teh fall through of Joe Watts who openly sought out a deal with the feds only to renige when the deal wasnt to his liking. It was also well known the he would probably flip yet not a thing happened to him.

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 7th, 2011, 4:24 pm

thewestside wrote:That's only a partial list of names. The Colombo family has about 100 made members total.

get the phug outta here. Quit with your lies/exaggerations/spin and BS. Since we've decided to resort to name calling when we disagree ....he who yells loudest/curses more and acts like a woman wins the argument. Not to mention placing spin like you did on teh debate about the chitown family listing half truths and making connections to the mafias activity anyway you could

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 7th, 2011, 4:27 pm

Icegood-

You didnt list Greg Scarpa jr. as the rat he is. He was recently described as being a bumbling baffoon-who masturbates to female guards and has flipped his marbles while residing in the harshest Federal Prison in America. He was said to smur shit on his cell walls and has routinely tried to off himself.

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 7th, 2011, 4:42 pm

The Colombo crime family rats whose taped conversations led to last week’s massive federal bust of 127 gangsters will likely touch off a bloodbath in the family to avenge the betrayal.

“I think they’re going to kill people, because the guys running around making the tapes were made members of the family,” a high-ranking source close to the investigation told The Post.

“I’ve heard that people are looking to retaliate.”

The FBI arrests took down the entire leadership of the Colombo crime family, two top Gambino family figures, and 34 made members of New York’s five crime families — Bonanno, Colombo, Gambino, Genovese and Luchese — and families in New Jersey and Rhode Island.

The Colombo turncoats included two “well-positioned” made members — above the rank of soldier — and one associate, the source said.

Made men take an oath of omerta, or silence. They are expected to do anything for the family — including murder.

“I think people in the Colombo family are very much in shock over what happened,” the source said. “That Colombo leadership is a dangerous bunch — they’re reckless killers, and sometimes it doesn’t take much for them to decide someone has to go.”

The first targets of revenge would be the informants, and then guys who brought them into the family. The biggest-ever Mafia sweep hit the Colombos hardest, leaving around 40 made guys on the street, the source said.Another law-enforcement source, an expert on the Colombo family, said the most important arrest was the de facto leader Andrew “Mush” Russo — which leaves the family rudderless.

“Nobody knows who will take over,” the source said. “There’s nobody left.” Russo, well-liked by the family, was convicted of jury tampering in 1999.

For fellow Colombo Anthony “Big Anthony” Russo, who is not related to Andrew Russo, violence was as easy as spreading butter on bread. In one of the taped conversations by a mob rat, the capo boasted that mobsters “were the only guys willing to go to war.”

In another tape, Big Anthony was getting itchy, telling a confidant he suspected “a rat real close to us.” He swore that when he found the snitch, he would “chop his head off.”

While on parole for a prior racketeering conviction, Anthony Russo was inducted as a made man and soon was promoted to capo. He’s now accused of murder, extortion and loan sharking, among other charges. He faces life in prison.

The relatively unscathed Genovese family, which had only 13 members charged in the bust, is now dominant, said a former law-enforcement official.

“They remain a very powerful group,” agreed Jack Garcia, a legendary FBI undercover agent who posed as moneyman Jack Falcone to infiltrate the Gambino family for three years beginning in 2002. The Gambinos have dropped to No. 2, he said.

“In the Genovese family, you really don’t have that many defectors. They’re still very entrenched in the unions and construction industry,” Garcia said.

The snitches and turncoats who aided investigators underscore a dramatic transformation of the city’s mob from the old days, agents and informants say.

“There have never been so many informants as in the past 10 years, They talk big, but they can’t do the time,” said Joe Pistone, an undercover FBI agent who penetrated the Bonanno crime family as jewel thief Donnie Brasco in 1976.

“With the young guys today, it’s the ‘me generation,’ ” Pistone said. “They want to make their money now and this why so many have gone into the drug business.

“They don’t have the wherewithal to cultivate the politicians and judges. Most of these guys couldn’t point out Italy on a map,” Pistone said.
Former Gambino soldier Andrew DiDonato, who is now living “in Middle America” under a different name, said shaking down drug dealers was a steady source of income in the ’80s and ’90s.

He would approach dealers in Canarsie, Mill Basin and Bergen Beach, Brooklyn, and demand a regular kickback, telling them: “You got one of two choices: We kill you right here, or you pay us weekly.”

And the process of becoming a made man is now just a straight numbers game, decreasing the importance of honor and experience in favor of earning power.

According to Garcia, killing used to be mandatory before induction into La Cosa Nostra. “They felt you would never betray them, because you were dirty yourself,” he said.

Now all “they really want are guys who will make money for the family,” added Garcia, who was invited to be a made man in 2005 simply because he was a “big earner.”

Mob bosses have also rejected the late John Gotti’s flamboyance and public bravado, becoming more secretive.

Gotti held meetings each Wednesday with all his capos at the Ravenite Social Club in Howard Beach, which helped investigators piece together their criminal enterprise.

“We realized that social clubs and gathering together brought unnecessary heat, and law-enforcement an opportunity to identify the players,” said DiDonato, who turned state’s witness in 1997 and blew the whistle on a double murder and other crimes.

DiDonato said more goodfellas are either becoming snitches or leaving the life entirely to avoid hefty prison sentences. Most fear being double-crossed — or killed — by their own mob families.

“The respect in the mob only goes up the ladder — it does not come back down,” he said.

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 7th, 2011, 4:52 pm

Colombo crime family Capo Michael Catapano whο pleaded guilty tο extortion οf a pizzeria аnd gambling club wаѕ sentenced tο 6.5 years іn prison. Catapano wаѕ аlѕο suspected οf being involved іn a рlοt tο influence a suspected witness against mob tied lawyer Paul Begrin іn a money laundering аnd prostitution case. Catapano mονеd up thе ladder іn thе Colombo family rаthеr quickly authorities claim аll thе way tο thе rank οf Capo.

Catapano іѕ thе nephew οf legendary аnd powerful Colombo family mobster John “Sonny” Franzese. Catapano claimed thаt іt wаѕ Franzese whο mаdе hіm join thе mafia аnd hе attempted tο υѕе thіѕ argument tο hopefully gеt a reduced sentence. Bυt Judge Brian Cogan wаѕ nοt buying іt аnd stated thаt having a black sheep іn thе family lіkе Franzese dοеѕ nοt result іn Catapano becoming a captain fοr аn organized crime family lіkе thе Colombo’s.

Franzese іѕ next іn line tο bе sentenced аftеr hе wаѕ found guilty οf extortion аnd racketeering іn a trail whеrе thе key witness wаѕ hіѕ οwn son. Thе elder 93 year οld Franzese wаѕ still thουght tο bе a powerful player within thе Colombo family аnd one οf thе long time family leaders. Franzese wіll bе sentenced next month аnd аt hіѕ age thіѕ prison sentence mау еnd up being hіѕ last.


Why he wouldnt be considered a snitch is beyond me? the guy obviously is outright blaming his uncle for his dealings and did so in open court while his uncle was still alive.....had he been dead it would be another story.

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 7th, 2011, 10:44 pm

icegoodbarbPresident welcome to streetgangs.com................I hope to be able to get a little bit of skeptism from you regarding Westside claims.....but take note that when he disagrees with you he uses profanity and calls names .......a true debate is held in check from anything of that sort-the man is a loose cannon and cannot be convinced of anything irregardless of the facts........So if you continue trying to push your view on him the next words out of his mouth wont be friendly.....he has teh true calling of an idiot.........

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by thewestside » February 7th, 2011, 11:33 pm

mayugastank wrote:get the phug outta here. Quit with your lies/exaggerations/spin and BS. Since we've decided to resort to name calling when we disagree ....he who yells loudest/curses more and acts like a woman wins the argument. Not to mention placing spin like you did on teh debate about the chitown family listing half truths and making connections to the mafias activity anyway you could
I simply got tired of your BS. You would come on this board, post some kind of half-truth or misinformation, and I'd have to set your straight. That was bad enough. But now, you have this JohnnyRed-like attitude where it's no longer about getting to the facts for you. You just want to try and be right and win an argument. One you lost a long time ago. You've already shown you have no interest in acknowledging evidence which I present that shows you're wrong. You just ignore it and go on babbling away. So you really aren't worthy of anything except derision at this point. Keep reading to find out why....
mayugastank wrote:Icegood-

Thanks for the information. Some on this board have accused me of exaggeration/hyperbole and outright being a liar. This list shows an updated version of what is extremely obvious to anyone with half a brain.
This is a perfect example of how you don't do your research. Icegood got those names from charts originally posted on the Real Deal forum. In fact, just about every chart you see like this are from the research of a certain poster on that board. It's not a comprehensive list of the Colombo family. No chart is going to have every last member. But here is the latest Colombo chart, obviously still missing some names we're not yet aware of. Even still, there are about 100 names here, and that's the average membership estimate for the family.


Colombo Family

Boss: Carmine "Junior/The Snake" Persico/78 (IP/L)
UnderBoss: John "Sonny" Franzese/93 (IP)
Consigliere: Richard “Ritchie Nerves” Fusco/74 (UI/IP)

Captains:

Joseph Baudanza/65 (IP/2/18/2011) - Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island
Joseph "Junior Lollipops" Carna/67 (UI) - Brooklyn and Queens
Benjamin "The Little Guy/Claw" Castellazzo/73 (UI/IP) - Brooklyn and the Bronx
James "Jimmy Green Eyes" Clamenza – Brooklyn
Dennis "Fat/Little/The Beard" DeLucia/66 (UI/IP) - Brooklyn and the Bronx
Luca DiMatteo/65 - Brooklyn
Thomas "Tommy Bop/Shots" Gioeli/57 (UI/IP) – Brooklyn, Staten Island and Long Island
Ralph Lombardo/79 – Queens and Long Island
Reynold "Ren" Maragni/58 (UI/IP) – South Florida
Theodore "Teddy/Skinny" Persico Jr/46 (UI/IP) - Brooklyn
Andrew "Andy/Mushy" Russo/76 (UI)/William “Billy” Russo/48 – Brooklyn and Long Island
Michael Uvino/44 (IP/5/24/2016)/Michael Catapano/43 (IP) – Brooklyn and Long Island


Soldiers:

Benedetto "Benny" Aloi/73
Vincent "Vinny" Aloi/84
Joseph Amato/53
Pasquale Amato/73 (IP/L)
Joseph “Chubby” Audino/69
Dominick Bretti/74 (IP/L)
Joel "Waverly" Cacace/69 (U/IP/6/24/2020)
Aurelio “Ray” Cagno/67 (IP/L)
Daniel Capaldo/46 (UI/IP)
Thomas Capelli
Robert “Bobby Bibbs” Cassamassino/69
Vincent Cascio/69
Salvatore “Sally Bread” Cambria
Frank “Campy” Campanella/52 (UI)
Frank “Frankie Camp” Campione/67 (UI/IP)
Richard “The Jeweler” Capichano/67
Alphonse Cirillo/77
Gerard “Jerry Green Eyes” Clamenza/56
Anthony Colombo/63
Joseph Colombo Jr/62 (UI)
Anthony “Funzied” D’Ambrosia
Andre D'Apice/34
Ralph DeLeo/67 (IP)
Dennis DeLucia/66
Vincent “Chickie” DeMartino/52 (IP/1/01/2025)
John "Jackie" DeRoss/70 (IP/L)
Robert “Rob” Donofrio/51
Edward Fanelli/74
Thomas Farese/67
Emanuele “Manny” Favuzza/52 (UI/IP)
Emmanuale Favuzza Jr.
Vincent “Jimmy Gooch” Febbraro (UI)
Michael “Mikey” Ferrara
Salvatore Fusco/84
Vincent Gugliaro/80
Joseph "Joe Notch" Iannaci/77
Anthony Induisi/59
Gennaro "Gerry Lang" Langella/69 (IP/9/02/2052)
Joseph LaRosa/77
Joseph “Joe Legs” Legrano/66 (IP/12/31/2018)
Angelo Leto (IP)
Frank “Chickie” Leto/76
Frank Locicero/81
Salvatore Lombardino/78
Joseph Lupo/85
John Maggio (UI)
James Malpeso
Anthony Maltese/87
Salvatore Mangiamelli/79
Reynolds Maragni/52
Craig Marino/38 (IP/9/08/2016)
Dominic "Donny Shacks" Montemarano/70
Joseph “Joe Monte” Monteleone/69 (IP/L)
John Orena
Victor “Little Vic” Orena/73 (IP/L)
Victor Orena Jr/53
Junior Palermo
Pasquale “Patsy” Palermo
Charles “Charlie Moose” Panarella/87 (UI)
Alphonse "Little Allie Boy" Persico/54 (IP/L)
Daniel “Danny” Persico/47
Thomas Petrizzo/76 (UI/IP)
Frank "Frankie P/Cap" Polito (UI)
Salvatore “Sally Pro” Profaci/73
Vincent "Vinny Unions/Three Fingers" Ricciardo/62
Nicky Rizzo (UI)
John Rossatti
Anthony "Chucky" Russo/55 (IP/L)
Dino “Little Dino” Saracino/37 (UI/IP)
Joseph Savarese/47 (UI/IP)
Greg Scarpa Jr/56 (IP/10/17/2035)
John Scimone/86
Frank “Frankie the Bug” Sciortino/78
Ralph Scopo Jr/62 (UI/IP)
Michael Sessa/50(IP/L)
Gus “Buddy” Spatafora/71
John Staluppi
Anthony Stropoli/47
Joseph "Joe T" Tomasello/75
Joseph “Joe” Tolino
Robert Zambardi/68 (IP/12/02/2015)
Joseph Zorzi/79
mayugastank wrote:icegoodbarbPresident welcome to streetgangs.com................I hope to be able to get a little bit of skeptism from you regarding Westside claims.....but take note that when he disagrees with you he uses profanity and calls names .......a true debate is held in check from anything of that sort-the man is a loose cannon and cannot be convinced of anything irregardless of the facts........So if you continue trying to push your view on him the next words out of his mouth wont be friendly.....he has teh true calling of an idiot.........
This is too funny. Here you are trying to recruit him to your cause. Do you bother to read other people's posts or do you just make your own and then log off? Check out the thread below, genius. icegoodbarbpresident has already said what he thinks of you...

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by icegoodbarbPresident » February 8th, 2011, 5:44 pm

I don't agree with Westside or maguyastank all the time I tend to do do my own research and draw my own conclusions but you gotta realize that what the papers write isnt always true. The papers call Thomas Gioeli the whining don because he wants to get out of prison while he has severe diabetes and he had a minor stroke so who would't want to get out. Also Michael Catapano merely said Uncle Sonny wanted me to join the mob then the papers say he blames everything on Sonny and hes a dry snitch, John Franzese is of the old school and very smart so he would't let a guy reach the rank of capo if he thought he could't handle it. Also does anyone have a updated Decavalcante chart?????

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by Faciulina » February 8th, 2011, 5:59 pm

sally profaci, joe tomasello and benny aloi should be all capos

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by thewestside » February 9th, 2011, 11:33 am

Faciulina wrote:sally profaci, joe tomasello and benny aloi should be all capos
They were captains at one time, years ago, but not now.

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by thewestside » February 9th, 2011, 11:45 am

icegoodbarbPresident wrote:Also Michael Catapano merely said Uncle Sonny wanted me to join the mob then the papers say he blames everything on Sonny and hes a dry snitch, John Franzese is of the old school and very smart so he would't let a guy reach the rank of capo if he thought he could't handle it.
The idea of Sonny Franzese being a dry snitch is hilarious. The whole point of dry snitching is to give tips to law enforcement so you can stay out on the street yourself. And yet, Sonny has spent most of his life behind bars. He's die before he'd rat.
Also does anyone have a updated Decavalcante chart?????
DeCavalcante Family

(ages will be a year or two older than stated at this point)


Boss: Giovanni "John the Eagle/Uncle John" Riggi/85 (IP/11/27/2012)
Acting Boss: Francesco “Frank” Guarraci/55 (UI)
UnderBoss: Joseph Miranda/86
Consigliere: Stefano "Steve the Truck Driver" Vitabile/74 (IP/11/24/2013)


Capos:
1. Philip Abramo/64 (IP/1/21/2018)
2. Giuseppe "Pino" Schifilliti/71 (IP/11/30/2015)
3. Salvatore "Little Sal/Sal the Barber" Timpani/66

Soldiers:
Gaetano Alessi
Daniel "Danny" Annunziata
Frank D'Amato/62 (IP/5/19/2012)
Anthony DeMaio Sr.
James Castaldo/54
Amelio Cocchiaro
Rosario “Russell” Cocchiaro/68
Joseph Collina/62
Louis "Louie Eggs" Consalvo/52 (IP/2/14/2012)
Carl Corsentino
Nicholas “Nick” Cottone
James Gallo/65 (IP/12/22/2021)
Francesco “Joe” Gatto/68
Joseph "Uncle Joe" Giaccobe
Leonardo “Larry” Giacobbe
Girolamo Guarraggi
Charles "Fat Charlie/Big Ears" Majuri/69
Anthony "Marshmallow" Mannarino/64 (IP/7/12/2010)
Mimmo Marzullo
Joseph Merlo Jr/70
Joseph “Joey” Merlo III/41
Michael Merlo/58
Joseph Miglorato
Frank Nigro/67
Robert "Bobby Basile" Occhipiti
Girolamo "Jimmy Gumps" Palermo/72
Francesco Paparatto/75
Salvatore “Sal” Polizzi
Gregory Rago/50 (IP/11/15/2014)
Emmanuel "Manny" Riggi
John "Junior" Riggi/58
Vincent Riggi/58
Joseph "Tin Ear" Sclafani/72
Jerry “Dracula” (LNU)
(FNU) Stango
Gaetano "Corky" Vastola
Joseph Venditti


Ribera "Zips": (Members from the Ribera family in Sicily that work for the DeCavalcantes)

Nicolo Amari
Giuseppe Campo
Giuseppe Capizzi
Paolo Capizzi
Joe Gatto
Ignazio Massimino (IP)
Emmanuel Sortino (IP)
Giuseppe “Lenny” Terrasi

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by Faciulina » February 9th, 2011, 12:10 pm

They were captains at one time, years ago, but not now
aee there source that proof they are not capos anymore?

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 9th, 2011, 3:56 pm

icegoodbarbPresident wrote:I don't agree with Westside or maguyastank all the time I tend to do do my own research and draw my own conclusions but you gotta realize that what the papers write isnt always true. The papers call Thomas Gioeli the whining don because he wants to get out of prison while he has severe diabetes and he had a minor stroke so who would't want to get out. Also Michael Catapano merely said Uncle Sonny wanted me to join the mob then the papers say he blames everything on Sonny and hes a dry snitch, John Franzese is of the old school and very smart so he would't let a guy reach the rank of capo if he thought he could't handle it. Also does anyone have a updated Decavalcante chart?????

You do agree with Mayugastank on this issue here. I have stated that the Colombos/Bonanos and Lucchese are at the critical path. I have also stated that Westside inflates lists of mafia members by actively and deliberately -placing members whom he knows are retired and or living out of state and away from "the life". I believe that the Chicago family is nearly inactive---HERES WHY:

(1) The FBI estimates of members are respectively 25-30 members tops.
(2) The FBI estimates are of ACTIVE* mafia members "quote currently disgracing our city" end quote.
(3) Our only information of the Chicago Family comes from Nick Calabrese *the only made man snitch in the Chicago Familys history*
(4) Nick lists 60 members belonging to the family TOTAL
(5) His and the FBI estimates conincided in changing the official estimates of the family from 1990 where they listed 100 or so to 25-30 after his testimony
(6) His testimony states : The family specifcally his brother did not kick up taxes to the bosses anymore
(7) His testimony states: That no new members had been made since 1984 and that those that were made were RARE and far out and related somehow....and that since 1984 only a handful of handful of people were made, enough so that he couldnt recall their names or who and when they were made.


What this tells me:

The family is a shell of its former self , the family is not making new guys, the family is not meeting to discuss issues, nor collecting taxes from its crews, that anyone engaged with crime and OC in Chicago is acting independly.

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icegoodbarbPresident wrote:I don't agree with Westside or maguyastank all the time I tend to do do my own research and draw my own conclusions but you gotta realize that what the papers write isnt always true. The papers call Thomas Gioeli the whining don because he wants to get out of prison while he has severe diabetes and he had a minor stroke so who would't want to get out. Also Michael Catapano merely said Uncle Sonny wanted me to join the mob then the papers say he blames everything on Sonny and hes a dry snitch, John Franzese is of the old school and very smart so he would't let a guy reach the rank of capo if he thought he could't handle it. Also does anyone have a updated Decavalcante chart?????

You do agree with Mayugastank on this issue here. I have stated that the Colombos/Bonanos and Lucchese are at the critical path. I have also stated that Westside inflates lists of mafia members by actively and deliberately -placing members whom he knows are retired and or living out of state and away from "the life". I believe that the Chicago family is nearly inactive---HERES WHY:

(1) The FBI estimates of members are respectively 25-30 members tops.
(2) The FBI estimates are of ACTIVE* mafia members "quote currently disgracing our city" end quote.
(3) Our only information of the Chicago Family comes from Nick Calabrese *the only made man snitch in the Chicago Familys history*
(4) Nick lists 60 members belonging to the family TOTAL
(5) His and the FBI estimates conincided in changing the official estimates of the family from 1990 where they listed 100 or so to 25-30 after his testimony
(6) His testimony states : The family specifcally his brother did not kick up taxes to the bosses anymore
(7) His testimony states: That no new members had been made since 1984 and that those that were made were RARE and far out and related somehow....and that since 1984 only a handful of handful of people were made, enough so that he couldnt recall their names or who and when they were made.


What this tells me:

The family is a shell of its former self , the family is not making new guys, the family is not meeting to discuss issues, nor collecting taxes from its crews, that anyone engaged with crime and OC in Chicago is acting independly.
Hey, dumb-shit!

A guy doesn't stop being a member because he's no longer active. They only cease to be a member if they die or flip. Furthermore, beyond a few examples, you have no idea which ones are inactive or not. So I'm not "inflating" a damn thing.

You just keep hanging onto what you claim Calabrese said like grim death. Meanwhile, ignore everything else. Nope, no cherrypicking here for mayugastank.

Seriously, why do you keep posting? You're not going to convince icegoodbarbPresident, myself, or anyone else. You've lost this argument because the facts are not on your side. That's why you just keep repeating yourself like a retarded parrot.


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Unread post by mayugastank » February 9th, 2011, 10:49 pm

WETSIDE.............


the name suites you since you resort to name calling something either a female or child does when he reaches a disagreement.....an idiots way.

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mayugastank wrote:WETSIDE.............


the name suites you since you resort to name calling something either a female or child does when he reaches a disagreement.....an idiots way.
I explained this before. If you're going to act like a schmuck, I'm going to treat you like a schmuck.

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Unread post by RDRIGN » February 10th, 2011, 1:01 am

Hahahaha this shit is funny especially magustanks's response lol.

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Unread post by icegoodbarbPresident » February 10th, 2011, 4:13 pm

The chicago family still has 60-75 made members and still collect taxes, they do have legitamate interests including restraunts stores and small casinos in the chicago area. Nick Calabrese said there was about 60 or so made members. " The more things change, the more they stay the same" is a great quote for the Chicago mob and all mob families even though the times change including recruiting pools and how guys act, the concept is still the same get money, kill people who f&*^ up and if there is still made members they're gonna make guys and still carry on traditonal mob rackets, they are a mob famly not a corporation they don't just give up their ways and quit mob activity.
Heres some recent cases

Rudy Fratto charged in tax scheme
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Reputed top mobster Rudy Fratto has been charged with failing to pay more than $30,000 in taxes on nearly $200,000 in income from 2005, according to federal court documents filed this week.

Fratto is accused of directing businesses and others to send payments to a defunct business of his, J.J.F. Inc., in order to avoid paying taxes.

Fratto's name came up most recently in federal court as one of the top mobsters who posed the most direct threat to the safety of Nicholas Calabrese, the star witness in the Family Secrets mob case.

Fratto's name also popped up during testimony in the sentencing hearing of former Chicago chief of detectives William Hanhardt, who was accused of meeting with Fratto while trying to set up a hit. The murder never happened.

Fratto was never charged with any wrongdoing in that matter, and a federal judge did not take the most serious aspect of the prosecutor's allegations into account when he sentenced Hanhardt.
( If he wasn't getting money from mob crime he would have reported it)

The feds draw a bead on "Pudgy"
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John "Pudgy" Matassa

U.S Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald showed an interest in reputed mob boss John "Pudgy" Matassa when he questioned a deputy marshal accused of leaking secrets to the Outfit.

It's one of several fascinating facts that came up during the hearing for the deputy marshal, John Ambrose.
The hearing centered on Ambrose's effort to get the statements he made to Fitzgerald and FBI Chicago Chief Robert Grant tossed out and not allowed in at trial.

Ambrose contends he gave those statements when he was in custody, without receiving his Miranda rights.

Fitzgerald testified during Ambrose's hearing that he was there to pitch him to cooperate and talk to the case agents. Fitzgerald said he clearly told Ambrose he wasn't under arrest.

The prosecutor did ask Ambrose some questions, after Ambrose persisted during their September 2006 meeting in giving his account of what he had done.

The feds contend Ambrose leaked information about Nicholas Calabrese, a mob killer who would decide to flip for the feds and go into witness protection.

When Calabrese came to Chicago to take FBI agents to murder sites, one of his guards would be Ambrose at times.

The feds discovered that Ambrose was the leak when two mobsters, Outfit boss James Marcello and his half-brother, Michael, were secretly recorded talking about information that Nicholas Calabrese was providing to the feds, well before Calabrese's cooperation became public, according to court records.

The two mobsters never named Ambrose but described him in such specifics that the details pointed straight at him, according to the feds.

In Ambrose's discussion with Fitzgerald, the top prosecutor wanted to know if Ambrose ever met with Matassa at a Chinese restaurant, according to hearing testimony.

Ambrose denied knowing Matassa, much less ever meeting him in a Chinese restaurant, according to hearing testimony.

Matassa has strong ties to the Marcellos. When Outfit chief James Marcello got out of prison, Matassa was Marcello's driver, a trusted, important position, given Marcello's high rank

Matassa has said he grew up with Michael Marcello and would routinely meet him as an adult, according to testimony Matassa gave during a labor union hearing.

Matassa was described in those hearings as a made member of the North Side crew, who oversaw mob interests in pornography businesses and helped run mob gambling operations in Chicago and Rosemont.

As a younger man, Matassa was a driver for the man picture below, Michael Glitta, who oversaw the mob's control of the porn business for the North Side crew.

The new 'Outfit'
August 18, 2002

BY STEVE WARMBIR FEDERAL COURTS REPORTER

In a secretly recorded conversation between two Chicago mobsters, the late "Singing Joe" Vento croons a love song of sorts about a top Outfit leader.

"You know the guy we met?" Vento asks mob enforcer Mario Rainone.

"Yeah," Rainone says.
From Chauffeur to Heir Apparent James “Little Jimmy” Marcello has climbed his way to the top of organized crime in Chicago through murder and mayhem, law enforcement sources say. But Marcello’s biggest edge in getting the top job may simply be his age—he’s only 58, a full 15 years younger than the gray old men thought to be running the show while Marcello waits to get out of prison.


"You think he's a nobody?" Vento asks.

"No, I know he's somebody," Rainone says.

"You better believe he's f------ somebody," Vento says.

That somebody is James Marcello.

At the moment, "Little Jimmy," as Marcello is known, is sitting in a federal prison in Milan, Mich., serving out his 12-1/2-year sentence for racketeering, extortion and illegal gambling. But when he gets out next year, mob watchers say, he's expected to take on a big new job--head of the Chicago Outfit.

But if Marcello is a somebody, he's still not a really big somebody--and he never will be--at least not when compared with the infamous men who ran the mob before him, powerful hoods like Al Capone, Anthony Accardo, Sam Giancana and Joseph Aiuppa.

Marcello is doomed to be a lesser mob boss because the Chicago mob itself today is less of a power, squeaking along with much less money, far fewer members and a fraction of its old political influence.

In Capone's day, his boys raked in more than $100 million a year--more than $1 billion in today's dollars. Today, the Chicago Outfit pulls in just $100 million, according to law enforcement estimates.

In the 1980s, the Chicago mob had roughly 200 "made" members, each of whom ran his own various illegal businesses. Today, according to the FBI, the mob is down to about 50 made members--not enough hoods to fill up a small prison cellblock.

And in the mob's heyday, the tentacles of organized crime in Chicago, like organized crime families across the nation, reached deep into labor unions, city and suburban police departments, city halls and the Statehouse.

The mob at its most powerful was impressively diversified, drawing hundreds of millions of dollars from loan-sharking, pornography, bookmaking, prostitution, extorting legitimate businesses, looting union pension and insurance funds, ghost payroll jobs in government, burglary, profit skimming at casinos, robbing jewelry salesmen, bankrolling drug dealers and whatever else somebody could dream up to grab a buck.



Joey “the Clown” Lombardo


John “No Nose” DiFronzo


Joe “the Builder” Andriachi

Who’s the MOB BOSS lite of the Chicago underworld?

For generations, there was seldom any question. Capone was the man. Then Nitti. Then this guy or that guy. Some were unfamiliar names to the public, but ask anybody paying attention—the cops, the U.S. Justice Department, some punk breaking into houses trying to make his Outfit “bones”—and they could tell you exactly who was boss of the mob. No longer. If there is a top boss now, he’s more of an underworld boss lite. Law enforcement sources, disagreeing even among themselves, say one of these three men is in charge.

Today, the mob is still into a lot of that stuff, at least along the edges, but it relies heavily on a single source of income--illegal gambling. The Chicago Outfit is simply too decimated to be doing much more, brought low by relentless federal prosecutions and changing times.

In the last 20 years, federal prosecutors in Chicago, armed with evidence produced by the FBI and Internal Revenue Service, have put mob leader after mob leader behind bars--more than 150 made members, associates and workers.

Mob boss Sam "Wings" Carlisi, for whom Marcello worked as a chauffeur, died in prison in 1997. Mob boss Joseph "Joey Doves" Aiuppa went to prison in 1986 and died in 1997, a year after his release. Top mob counselor Angelo "the Hook" LaPietra went to prison in 1986 and died in 1999, shortly after his release. Top mob lieutenant Joseph "Joey the Clown" Lombardo went to prison in 1982 and was released in 1992.

What's left of the mob's leadership is getting old.

Some mob experts believe Lombardo runs the mob now. He's 73. Other mob watchers say John ''No Nose'' DiFronzo runs the show. He's also 73. Still others say it's Joe ''the Builder'' Andriacchi. He's 69.

This, of course, assumes that anybody is really in charge.

Adding to the Outfit's problems, many top mobsters moved from the city to the suburbs years ago, abandoning those tough old Chicago neighborhoods that were always the mob's best recruiting grounds. New talent can be hard to find.

Where the money is now

The Chicago Outfit today makes most of its money from illegal gambling.

Those video poker machines in the back of local bars and social clubs feed millions a year to the mob. Illegal sports gambling, whether through a neighborhood bookie or an offshore betting operation somewhere in Central America, feeds millions of dollars more to the mob.

The mob also continues, though at a slower pace, to finance drug deals, engage in loan-sharking--lending money at exorbitant rates to those people no bank will touch--and to wield influence in organized labor, despite a strong federal effort to purge the mob from such unions as the Laborers and the Teamsters.

Indeed, the mob's continued influence within unions remains so strong that it--along with the mob's influence in politics--will be the subject of a future installment of the Chicago Sun-Times' "Crime, Inc." series.

As the sons of old-time mobsters pick up law degrees and MBAs, the new Chicago mob also has developed a fondness for setting up quasi-legit companies, such as insurance firms, designed to rip off clients at the first opportunity.

One example the feds point to is Specialty Risk Consultants, a reputed Outfit insurance company that is accused of siphoning more than $12 million out of the town of Cicero.

That scheme, though, didn't fare well on two fronts. Eight reputed players in the scam, including Cicero Town President Betty Loren-Maltese, are on trial in federal court, and the jury in the case is expected to start its seventh day of deliberations Monday.

While the scam showed some sophistication, the profits from it weren't invested well.

Key members of the scheme are accused of plowing millions of dollars into an isolated Wisconsin golf course that they had hoped to turn into a casino.

The feds dubbed it the mob's "Fantasy Island," and that's all it ever was.

No casino ever opened, and a white elephant remains.

Lean but still mean

Though the Chicago mob's top leadership has been decimated, young Turks have begun to turn more to violence, threatened and real, according to FBI experts and other law enforcement sources. Most obviously, two men have been shot dead in mob hits in recent years, but there's also the cheap day-to-day viciousness.

Consider, for example, the business tactics of the Giuliano brothers, Thomas and Christopher, who were convicted in 1999 of using muscle--beating a man up--to force the man to pay gambling debts.

The victim owed Thomas Giuliano $75,000 and was told that amount would skyrocket to $200,000 in about 30 days if he didn't pay up.

Thomas Giuliano, 33, allegedly warned the victim that he should show up to one meeting or "I'm gonna come through the window and grab you."

When the brothers finally did track down their man, at his place of work, Christopher Giuliano, 29, grabbed the man's neck with both hands and began pushing his head into the wall.

Fortunately, FBI agents, who had the business under surveillance, rushed in and saved him.

Or consider the case of alleged mob soldier Anthony Giannone, from suburban Bartlett, who made this colorful threat to a man who owed him $55,000: "When I find you, every day it rains, I'm gonna make you remember me."

The implied threat, authorities explained, was that Giannone would break the man's bones. And even after the victim healed, his mauled body would ache when it rained.

Who's the boss?

Is it Joey the Clown?

Or No Nose?

Or the Builder?

The fact that mob watchers are not even sure who's running the Chicago Outfit these days--Lombardo, DiFronzo or Andriacchi--is seen by some as a sign of great sophistication.

"That very fact that you need to ask that question shows how effective the Outfit is," argues St. Xavier University Professor Howard Abadinsky, who has written on Chicago organized crime.

Or it could mean there is no clear leader willing to step up and take the heat from the feds, other observers argue.

The Chicago mob, Abadinsky points out, wisely keeps a low profile, especially compared with the New York mob, which has a way of gathering headlines through gunplay.

Or as then mob boss Tony Accardo once told FBI agents in the early 1970s, "We're gentlemen in Chicago. They're savages in New York."

But there have been those two mob hits in the last three years. In 1999, mobster Ronald Jarrett was shot dead outside his Bridgeport home. Two years later, Anthony "the Hatch" Chiaramonti was shot outside a Brown's Chicken & Pasta in south suburban Lyons.

And so, some observers wonder if the violence will escalate over turf disputes.

Abadinsky, for one, doubts it.

"They've been successful, they've been controlled, they are much more hierarchical," he said. "They've been able to control the kind of violence that would generate attention."

Meet Little Jimmy

To rise to the top of any organization, you have to build an impeccable resume and pay your dues. And it helps to have family in right places.

By these standards, law enforcement sources say, James Marcello is perfectly positioned to take command of the Chicago Outfit. Especially given his relative youth--he's 58.

He worked for Chicago's Department of Streets and Sanitation as a laborer from 1960 to 1973, but it has been his other jobs, like working as the No. 2 man for "Wings" Carlisi, that spoke to his true talents.

Marcello, who lived in the Lombard area, has shown he's crafty and paranoid about surveillance.

He's feared.

And stone-cold ruthless.

At his trial, prosecutors said Marcello took part in planning the hit of a mob associate, Anthony "Jeeps" Daddino, which never took place, and was a prime mover behind the unsuccessful torching of the Lake Theatre in Oak Park.

But Marcello is best known in mob circles for his alleged part in the slayings of the Chicago mob's man in Las Vegas, Anthony Spilotro, and Spilotro's brother Michael.

In 1986, the Spilotros were stripped to their underwear, beaten senseless and buried alive in an Indiana cornfield. No one has ever been charged in the case, but investigators have long believed Marcello helped set up the brothers for the hit.

Marcello's brother-in-law is former Chicago police officer William Galioto, whom the Chicago Crime Commission named a mob lieutenant in its 1997 organization chart.

Galioto was an investor in a new movie studio being planned on the West Side in 1995. The project attracted front-page headlines--and fell apart--when Mayor Daley killed a $5.5 million low-interest loan for the studio after learning about the mob ties.

And Marcello's nephew is John Galioto, business manager of Laborers' Local 225 in Des Plaines until it was forced into trusteeship in the late 1990s because of alleged ties to organized crime and extravagant spending.

Both Galiotos have denied any connection to organized crime.

Even without such impressive connections, Marcello's name is enough to invoke dread.

Take, for instance, this secretly recorded conversation between Richard Spizziri, who worked for Marcello, and a man behind on juice loan payments.

"I don't want to give this to Little Jimmy," Spizziri says. "If I give this to Jimmy, he's gonna send somebody. He's gonna send f------ . . . f------ nine guys out, and they will find you."

During another chat, Spizziri describes the talents of the dedicated professionals to be dispatched.

"I don't want youse to get hurt," he tells the debtor. "I really don't want you to get hurt, 'cause they don't send f------ people like Sean," Spizziri says, referring to a big guy who works for him.

"Sean's a f------ goof. . . . Sean does what you tell him to do, a couple of slaps and it's over.

"These people, when they send these people, they like what they're doin'. This is their job.

"They love it."

CHICAGO — A reputed Chicago mobster accused of orchestrating the bombing of a rival video gaming company was convicted of racketeering Wednesday, along with four members of his alleged crew.

Jurors in Chicago had deliberated since late Monday before convicting Michael "The Large Guy" Sarno and his co-defendants.

Sarno's wife, Nicole, yelled "God!" as a federal judge granted prosecutors' request that he be taken into custody immediately after the verdict, and his daughter broke down in tears, according to the Chicago Sun-Times. Just one co-defendant has been allowed to remain free on bond as they await sentencing on May 23.

Prosecutors alleged that Sarno, 52, ordered two of the four, Mark Polchan, a Cicero jewelry store owner and member of the Outlaws motorcycle gang, and Samuel Volpendesto, the former owner of a Cicero strip club, to bomb the Berwyn offices of C&S Coin Operated Amusements Inc. in February 2003.

The bombing, which destroyed the offices, was meant as a message to the company to stop horning in on a profitable mob business in Chicago's western suburbs, the government said.

Prosecutors also claimed the enterprise that Sarno allegedly was a part of was responsible for burglaries and thefts, including the armed robbery of a jewelry store in LaGrange Park that netted nearly $650,000 worth of jewelry and other valuables.

The Chicago Tribune reported that jurors had asked for guidance on jury instructions earlier in the day Wednesday.

The six-week trial offered a peek into the inner workings of Chicago-area organized crime, which experts say has been curtailed in recent years by racketeering laws, aggressive federal prosecutors and competition from big-city street gangs or biker syndicates.

The 2007 Family Secrets trial, the biggest such trial in Chicago in decades, was a blow to the area mob, also known as the Chicago Outfit. It ended in life sentences for reputed bosses James Marcello, Frank Calabrese Sr. and Joseph "Joey the Clown" Lombardo.


The Outfit's Membership at a moderate estimate is between 50 - 60 Made Members,with its membership being a core group in comparison to the other Five Families of New York. They have a large number of associates which make up the majority of their force.

Chicago Mob Boss Sentenced For Bombing Of Video Poker BusinessDecember 26th, 2010 Author: A. MitchellMichael “The Large Guy” Sarno, who is the alleged boss of Chicago crime family ’the Grand Avenue street crew’, has just been found guilty on racketeering conspiracy charges and now faces a possible 25 years in jail.

At the centre of the trial was the 2003 bombing of a rival video poker business in Berwyn, which was gutted by a pipe bomb explosion orchestrated by Sarno and the Chicago Outfit.

The Chicago Outfit is estimated to be comprised of 50 to 200 “made” men and 1,000 more associates with illegal poker machines placed in bars and restaurants forming a profitable part of their criminal enterprise.

Apparently the Chicago Outfit was coming under heat from investigators during “Operation Family Secrets” at the time, and so decided to outsource the bombing of their competition’s business by recruiting the assistance of the Outlaws motorcycle gang.

Consequently, the offices of C&S Coin Operated Amusements Inc was bombed in 2003, which served as a warning to the company to stay out of the lucrative crime family business in Chicago’s western suburbs.

After a six-weeks trial, it was concluded that the fifty-two year old Michael Sarno, who weighs around 21 stone and is 6 foot 3″ tall, had ordered Outlaws motorcycle member Mark Polchan, 43, as well as mob bomber Sam Volpendesto, 86 to bomb the premises. Also found guilty were Volpendesto’s son Anthony, 48, and Chicago video poker kingpin Casey Szaflarski, 52.

During the trial the jurors heard tapes of Volpendesto boasting about his part in the C&S,bombing and also complaining about the waning fortunes of the Chicago crew.

Polchan and Sam Volpendesto now face minimum prison sentences of 30 years while Sarno will likely receive around 25 years. After the trial was over,Sarno turned to the officers and said “Let’s go,” before then blowing a contemptuous kiss at reporters and exiting.

There is no proof the chicago mob went legitmate and they are still making members and there is also no proof that the mob has 30 made members the offical estimate is 50-60 or more no less than 50

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Unread post by icegoodbarbPresident » February 10th, 2011, 4:42 pm

also the perfect example they're still making memebers is the Cleveland mob which had no made members outside of prison in th 1990s and now has 10-15 made members it never ends as long as you have some guys out with good criminal connections and some italians to pick from

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icegoodbarbPresident wrote:The chicago family still has 60-75 made members and still collect taxes, they do have legitamate interests including restraunts stores and small casinos in the chicago area. Nick Calabrese said there was about 60 or so made members. " The more things change, the more they stay the same" is a great quote for the Chicago mob and all mob families even though the times change including recruiting pools and how guys act, the concept is still the same get money, kill people who f&*^ up and if there is still made members they're gonna make guys and still carry on traditonal mob rackets, they are a mob famly not a corporation they don't just give up their ways and quit mob activity.

There is no proof the chicago mob went legitmate and they are still making members and there is also no proof that the mob has 30 made members the offical estimate is 50-60 or more no less than 50
First, don't bother showing recent cases to mayugastink. Because they prove him wrong he usually won't even bother looking at them. Of if he does, he will try and explain them away by saying there is really no Outfit connection. The irony is, I've argued with many Chicago posters on forums who actually do try and tie every bit of crime and corruption in Chicago to the Outfit. I'm certainly not one of those. And mayugastink knows this but, since the facts are not on his side, he has to resort to false allegations.

Second, 60-75 made members for the modern day Outfit is likely too much. As we've established, there have been estimates over the past decade ranging anywhere from 25 to 60 members, with several more falling in the middle somewhere - 28, 30, 47, 50, etc. So there is no "official" estimate. As I keep saying, I tend to look at the ongoing mob activity there in comparison to other families and how many members they are thought to have. The smallest New York family, which has more activity than the Outfit, has at least 100 members. So the Outfit would likely be below that. But Detroit, which has nowhere near the mob activity Chicago does, still has about 25 members. So the Outfit would likely be above that. In terms of activity, Chicago is closer to New England, which has about 50 members. I tend to go with the average of about 50 for Chicago, though I could see a possible high of 60, but also maybe a little lower like 45 because of its unique nature.

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Unread post by mayugastank » February 10th, 2011, 10:01 pm

Heres what I know.........that either the chicago outfit is nearing extinction or they are the most secretive/well organized/disciplined/strongest/and least likely to contain informers out of any family anywhere outside the Genovese who recently have had a few informers and are probably going to be facing a big bust up of their leadership and ranks.

Theres been stories about the goverment putting some serious screws to guys to get them to cooperate and a big F*** you was returned. Harry Aleman being one of them along with a few others recently. Reading the family secrets trial its evident that they were not kicking up----meeting-----and or making new members outside of those borne into the shit. So yes their roles are extremely tight ----

No Nose is probably in the school along with Accardo and though theyve tried -they havent been able to break many a chicago mafioso.

WETSIDE uses evidence from every which way -----when in reality the only true picture we have of the outfit is the testimony provided by Nicky Breeze. Nothing else written or storied can come close to that insiders view. Being that he is the only member to ever flip--what else do we have? besides made much and second hand BS.

Nicky said their were 60 members. AGREED. 60 members total retired/prison/and inactive. After the testimony of Nicky Breeze the FBI ---came out with reestablished figures of membership for the outift. Can we agree on that? Since we dont agree on anything else?

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 10th, 2011, 10:04 pm

icegoodbarbPresident wrote:also the perfect example they're still making memebers is the Cleveland mob which had no made members outside of prison in th 1990s and now has 10-15 made members it never ends as long as you have some guys out with good criminal connections and some italians to pick from

Where did these members get made? in prison? and where did you get this story is their a link?

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by icegoodbarbPresident » February 10th, 2011, 11:09 pm

Joseph " Joe Loose" Iacobacci and Russell "RJ" Papalardo were already made and got locked up in the late 80s after they were released along with the help of Alfred Allie Boy Calabrese who is now deceased they continued traditional mob rackets they're aren't structured except for boss underboss and then the rest of them there is no capos
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there are still mob guys but its not a structured family

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by thewestside » February 11th, 2011, 3:28 pm

mayugastank wrote:Heres what I know.........that either the chicago outfit is nearing extinction or they are the most secretive/well organized/disciplined/strongest/and least likely to contain informers out of any family anywhere outside the Genovese who recently have had a few informers and are probably going to be facing a big bust up of their leadership and ranks.


Well, according to you, there are only 2 families left - the Genovese and Gambinos. You've already said you think the Luccheses, Colombos, and Bonannos are basically "finito." As well as the Outfit. And if you consider those families gone, then you certainly wouldn't still think the families in New England, New Jersey, and Philadelphia are still around. So you're essentially making the argument for only 2 families remaining. Does that sound about right?

The Chicago Outfit has always been known as one of the more secretive, well disciplined families. They are much like the Genovese in that way. Those 2 families have actually had the most murders over the past decade - internal killings to keep order. If you read up on the Outfit, it has intentionally streamlined it's organization and operations since the late 1990's. Going from 7 crews down to 4 crews. And to date, they've only had 1 made guy flip.

And for the record, while it's always surprising to see Genovese guys flip, I wouldn't overestimate the effect of Arilotta and Tranghese flipping. They will certainly be able to do damage to what is left of the family's Springfield crew, as well former acting boss Artie Nigro, but that's about it. Western Massachusetts is more or less an outpost for the family at this point and somebody from there flipping is not nearly as big a deal as a captain from the family's power base in New York or New Jersey.
Theres been stories about the goverment putting some serious screws to guys to get them to cooperate and a big F*** you was returned. Harry Aleman being one of them along with a few others recently. Reading the family secrets trial its evident that they were not kicking up----meeting-----and or making new members outside of those borne into the shit. So yes their roles are extremely tight ----
You're putting too much stock in this claim of not kicking up. And that's assuming Calabrese ever even said it, which I don't ever recall reading. Not in any of the actual trial evidence or the two books written on the case. And even if a certain guy wasn't kicking up at a certain time, that in no way means the Chicago Outfit has suddenly ceased to operate like any other family. You still have the Elmwood Park/North Side Crew, the Grand Ave/West Side Crew, the Melrose Park/Cicero Crew, and the 26th St/South Side Crew. The soldiers and associates in those crews are obviously going to have to kick up to Peter DiFronzo, Joe Culotta, John Matassa, and Frank Caruso. How much money goes further up the line to bosses like John DiFronzo, Joe Andriacchi, etc. is anybody's guess. Both are pretty well off financially so maybe they've taken a page out of the Chin's book and don't take a lot of money off their guys. But that's just speculation. When you consider high level Outfit guys like Anthony Chiaramonti and Tony Zizzo being killed in recent years, reportedly in part over money disputes, somebody obviously still cares about how much they're getting.
WETSIDE uses evidence from every which way -----when in reality the only true picture we have of the outfit is the testimony provided by Nicky Breeze. Nothing else written or storied can come close to that insiders view. Being that he is the only member to ever flip--what else do we have? besides made much and second hand BS.
I'm still waiting for any kind of a source to what you claim Nick Calabrese said. As I mentioned above, I have not seen those claims in any of the trial evidence or either book written on the case. And even if he did say those things, I explained why that shouldn't be the end all evidence for you. You have to look at all the evidence objectively. Not just tunnel vision on one part here or there. And there is plenty of evidence that the Outfit is still a viable family with a formal hierarchy. There have continued to be ongoing cases directly involving the Outfit and its operations, which usually include the standard gambling, loansharking, and extortion rackets. As well as some ongoing union corruption, like the Carusos being kicked out of the Laborers Union back in 2001. Some ongoing local political corruption, like some Outfit members and officials of the town of Cicero being indicted that same year. Some bid-rigging involving mob companies, like the "Hired Truck" scandal in 2004. And so on. Nobody is saying the Outfit is anywhere near what it was even 15 or 20 years ago. But it's not almost extinct. A family that is nearly extinct would be what's left of them in places like Cleveland, Tampa, or Los Angeles.
Nicky said their were 60 members. AGREED. 60 members total retired/prison/and inactive. After the testimony of Nicky Breeze the FBI ---came out with reestablished figures of membership for the outift. Can we agree on that? Since we dont agree on anything else?
Well, first we have to agree on what the definition of a made member is. As I have repeatedly said, somebody doesn't stop being a member just because they are in prison or become inactive. Only if they die or flip. Yes, one can make the argument that a family's real strength is seen in it's active members. Not the guys who are sitting behind bars or who are no longer involved in organized crime. But, as I've also said, that figure is in a constant state of flux for most families. Guys constantly going in prison, coming out of prison, etc. And as we have seen in any number of examples, many mob guys continue to be active even into their 70's, 80's, sometimes even 90's.

So that's why I go by total membership. It's already a given that not all the members of any family are active on the street. With the recent Colombo busts, it doesn't surprise me at all that they currently have about 40 or so members on the street, while the rest of their 100 or so total membership are either recently indicted, already in prison, or inactive. But that figure will change very soon. Once again, a lot of Gambino members were picked up back in 2008. Most of them are now back on the street now. It's a constant revolving door, especially if for those that don't have more serious charges involving things like murder. Another good example is the Philadelphia family. They still have about 50 members total. But right now only about half of those are active on the street.

As for the Outfits current membership, I can understand why anyone would be confused. Back in 1997 we had the Chicago Crime Commission estimate 70 members. More recently we've had one FBI source cite 50 members, while another one only 25. The feds reportedly released a list of 47 current known Outfit members to the press several years ago. Some well researched posters on another forum were able to specifically list 30 Outfit members before Al Tornebene died. The prosecution cited 28 members during the Family Secrets trial. And Nick Calabrese reportedly identified 60 members. So what number do we go with? 25? 28? 30? 47? 50? 60?

I'm not sure what you mean by the FBI coming out with a "reestablished figures of Outfit membership." Maybe you're saying the 28 members still in the Chicago area were the ones that are still active, while the remaining ones are inactive or in prison? I suppose that's a possibility though one shouldn't automatically assume that's what they meant. Again, this is where trying to pin down exactly how many guys are active becomes a real problem. It's easier to just go with the total figure with the understanding that no family has 100% of it's members active on the street. And as I keep saying, judging by the ongoing mob activity in Chicago, as well as what law enforcement and mob experts say about it, I tend to think the total Outfit membership is closer to the 50-60 range than 25-30. How many of them are currently active on the street is anybody's guess.

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by thewestside » February 11th, 2011, 3:35 pm

icegoodbarbPresident wrote:Joseph " Joe Loose" Iacobacci and Russell "RJ" Papalardo were already made and got locked up in the late 80s after they were released along with the help of Alfred Allie Boy Calabrese who is now deceased they continued traditional mob rackets they're aren't structured except for boss underboss and then the rest of them there is no capos
http://clevelandmob.com/pastpresent.html
http://clevelandmob.com/bosses.html
http://72.52.208.92/~gbpprorg/judicial- ... t_fire.htm
Go to the way bottom of this article
there are still mob guys but its not a structured family
Cleveland is a good example of where there are still some members left. But it is no longer a formally structured, viable family. And even if it was it would only be the size of a single crew at this point. Some people make the argument that the family isn't dead until the last member goes. I don't agree with that. There can still be a handful of members remaining but that doesn't necessarily equate to the family (i.e. organization) still existing, in my opinion.

Here are the remaining known members there. The ages are a year or two older than listed now. Some are in prison, others said to be more or less retired.

Ralph "Bosie" Bucci/59
William "Billy" DeNova/68
William "Billy D" Dileno/72
Joseph Gallo/71 (IP/L)
Joseph "Joe Loose" Iacobacci/59
John Iorillo/64
Ronald Lucarelli Jr/51 (IP/10/18/2012)
Nicholas "Nick" Nardi/82
John Oliverio/56
Russell Papalardo/67
Anthony Velotta/67

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by thewestside » February 11th, 2011, 8:12 pm

Incidentally, regarding the Massachusetts faction of the Genovese Family, some interesting information in the latest Gang Land News article by Jerry Capeci -
Court Documents Marked Genovese Capo For Death

Prosecutors won’t be calling him as a witness at the trial of former Genovese acting boss Arthur (The Little Guy) Nigro next month, but secret FBI documents disclose that turncoat mob associate John (JB) Bologna fingered Nigro as the man behind the 2003 murder of a family capo in Massachusetts.

Four years after the slaying, Bologna described how he and a Springfield, Massachusetts-based Genovese mobster showed Nigro court documents indicating that Adolfo (Big Al) Bruno, who had headed the crime family’s lucrative rackets in the Bay State, had been talking out of turn to the FBI. The records, Bologna told the FBI, convinced Nigro that Bruno had to be silenced.

According to a report by FBI agent William Inzerillo, the court papers were brought to New York by soldier Felix Tranghese and “showed that Bruno told federal agents, correctly, that there were seven (Genovese crime family) wiseguys in Massachusetts.”

Bologna was in a good position to know what was going on: In 2002, Nigro had placed him with Bruno in Springfield to help beef up the local mob leader’s clout and earning capability, according to Inzerillo. The way Bologna told the story, Nigro was badly distressed by what he read about Big Al. The Little Guy “looked at the papers and then put the papers in his pocket,” during the meeting that the three gangsters had the summer before Bruno’s murder. The following November, Bruno was shot to death after a Sunday night card game that he ran at a neighborhood social club.

Bologna is off the hook for his own testimony thanks to the cooperation of Tranghese (right) and another Springfield mobster, Anthony (Bingy) Arillotta, who hired the local enforcers who allegedly engineered the slaying, brothers Ty Geas and Fotios (Freddy) Geas.

Tranghese and Arillotta each agreed to cooperate after they were indicted. Both are expected to take the stand at the trial – scheduled to begin March 8.

If convicted, Nigro and the Geas brothers face life behind bars.

This is a good demonstration of the mob is still willing to kill people before they fully flip, go into protective custody, and do the damage. If Bruno did indeed correctly identify the 7 Genovese members in Massachusetts prior to his murder in 2003, I'm assuming these were it....

1. Himself - killed in 2003
2. Carlo Mastrototaro - died in 2009
3. Anthony Arilotta - flipped in 2010
4. Felix Tranghese - flipped in 2010
5. Anthony Volpe - died 2010
6. Albert Scibelli - in his 90's now
7. Emilio Fusco - captured in Italy last year

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 14th, 2011, 5:16 pm

WESTSIDE

"I'm not sure what you mean by the FBI coming out with a "reestablished figures of Outfit membership." Maybe you're saying the 28 members still in the Chicago area were the ones that are still active, while the remaining ones are inactive or in prison? I suppose that's a possibility though one shouldn't automatically assume that's what they meant"


What I meant is that the purported figues of Chicagos outfit was consistently in the 100 range and then droped to the 50 range in the 2000s to the 30 range AFTER the testimony of Nick Calabrese. My theory is that the figures were reestablished AFTER his testimony-although he identified 60 members-those included many who were inactive/retired/in prison (speculation). His testimony -was WHY the FBI reestablished the figures for the outfit. We have no other "made" member to base an opinion on actual numbers of "made" guys besides Calabrese-I believe the FBI likewise, realized this and came out with the new updated list AFTER verifying his claims.

So again-we can agree to disagree-but in reality -a simple look should tell you that Nick Calabreses' testimony is what led the FBI from inflating figures in the 100 range like theyd been doing since the 1990s. Why they would DUMB down numbers is beyond me and maybe you can explain why they would----if anything the FBI has always upped or exaggerated poundage of dope seizures/number of gang members/ability of terrorist groups/ and membership roles of the mafia!!!

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Re: 2011 Colombo Family

Unread post by mayugastank » February 14th, 2011, 5:31 pm

Westside"

"And for the record, while it's always surprising to see Genovese guys flip, I wouldn't overestimate the effect of Arilotta and Tranghese flipping"

CONSPIRACY TO COMMITT MURDER:

The muddled legal definition of "conspiracy" is:

a) two or more persons gathered for the purpose of doing something
really nasty (Oooo! did someone actually get hurt?, and how can
their intent be proven?), or

b) committing *legal acts* be using "illegal means" (Huh? Is the act
legal, or isn't it?)


Big John” Bologna describes a conversation with Artie Nigro -where Bruno spoke out of school and identified that Fusco was a made meber of the Genovese ---this is what led to Bruno being murdered and Artie being indicted, the conversation took place amongst :

Tranghese took this page to New York to meet with Arthur Nigro and others. Nigro then gave Tranghese, and later Arillotta, the order to kills Bruno,” the Feb. 1 motion reads.


In the sense of the law anyone who overhears a plot to committ murder is guilty of murder. Who are the others described above? and why have they not been indicted is beyond me.....I am sure a big one is coming soon and this murder will be all over the place along with the murder of Lawrence Ricci-which is why Coppola was squeezed so hard to flip-had he flipped up and down the line the Genovese woulve been gutted. Sitautions like these is why I believe the mafia is on the ropes.....one man with enough information can get dozens convicted with the way the RICO statue is set up.

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